Why You Shouldn’t Run Winter Tires All Year – With Proof!

Why You Shouldn’t Run Winter Tires All Year – With Proof!


hello everyone and welcome in this video we’re going to be talking about winter tires and answering a question that I’ve often wondered about so if you have a winter tire versus an all season tire versus a summer tire the winter tire is going to have the softest compound and it’s designed with that soft compound so that when it drops down into those lower temperatures the compound still remains really soft and so you have good grit at low temperatures that’s the biggest advantage of winter tires is keeping that compound soft at those low temperatures where all season or summer tires will get much more firm and they won’t have as much grip now what I’ve always wondered is if you take this soft compound that you’re using on layer tires and use it in the summer are you going to simply have more wear but also more grip or are you going to have more wear and less grip does you know a winter tire provide more grip in higher temperatures purely because it has that really soft compound or is it actually better to have those firmer compounds that remain more rigid but you know they’re designed for that temperature range and so the tests that I conducted is a braking test from 60 miles per hour to 0 miles per hour and we’re going to do three tests with each tire so I had this previously on the Bridgestone blizik WS ATS I switched over to some all-season Yokohama Jia Lander all season tires and so from winter tire to an all season tire and did brake testing exact same temperature outside I you know made sure to get the temperature perfect both of these tires are pretty much brand new both of them with less than 4,000 miles on them and both of them less than a year old and both of them the exact same type exact same size using the exact same tire pressures so all the variables are held constant the only difference is the tire themselves when I get these brake tests for 60 miles per hour to zero and so what was interesting on the winter tire when I did the first brake test which is what I was using first obviously the first one slowed the first run I came to a stop in 127 feet or about 128 feet versus the all-season the first time I stopped was 124 feet now when I did the second stop the all-season was once again 124 feet so remained consistent and the winter tire jumped all the way to one hundred thirty-four feet so once I got a little bit of heat into it it dramatically reduced how much grip it had on the stopping distance was much longer and then I did one more break just a third brake test where the all-season stopped in about 127 feet and then the winter tire stopped in 135 feet so you know you can see the consistency in all season tire and it is interesting to see that even though the winter tire does have a softer compound it does in fact have less grip in the summer now one of the things that came up when I did some brake testing with my ass mm to more similar well how do you know that that’s not brake fade that you’re experiencing well looking at the data you can tell it you can also tell it by actually driving the vehicle so when I slam on the brakes when I’m doing these pen I can feel the ABS pumping and I can hear the ABS working so you can feel it in the brake pedal you can hear it working you know that those brakes are locking up and so if the wheel is able to lock up the brake isn’t the limiting factor it’s the tire that’s limiting factor and that’s the case with every single one of these brake tests I’ve done the other thing is you can see based on the data so with the s2000 the braking improved using the summer tires it wouldn’t improve that there was brake safe the Crosstrek when I got on the All Seasons you can see the first two runs with the all season tire they were you know almost identical whereas the first two runs with the winter tires they weren’t it was a big gap so you can tell that it’s the tire and not the brakes because if it were the brakes you’d see a more consistent distance a gap between the first stop in the second tun stop regardless of what tire you’re using because you’re limited by the brakes not the tires and so it’s very easy to tell both by feel and looking at the data that brakes aid is an issue here you wouldn’t expect brake fade to be an issue with just three you know strong stops from 60 miles per hour that are spaced out with the nominator so in between you know brakes can handle that they’re certainly designed for the gross vehicle weight rating which you know I’m just stopping with me in the car there’s not a bunch of cargo and stuffing here so the brakes are definitely over designed to be able to stop brakes aren’t a concern the point is when your tires do perform significantly worse in the heat and so this is at 63 degrees Fahrenheit not even that warm yet and already there’s pretty dramatic difference in how these winter tires are behaving versus all season tires now why is that I think a big part of the reason why the winter tires stopped slower has to do with you know both the soft compound which I believe it’s just kind of breaking away and kind of just you know getting destroyed as you’re slamming on the brakes rather than actually holding shape and slowing the vehicle down it’s just kind of sliding off material shearing off that tire and you’re not getting as good of a stopping distance the other thing is the tread blocks and all the saiping on these snow tires there’s so much movement in the tread blocks and I think that also plays a role where in low grip it’s good to have that amount of movement because you can grip all the different services but in high grip scenarios it’s going to kind of have too much movement on the tread block and so as a result you don’t have that stick the tire and so it doesn’t break as quickly now the old seasons are a bit more stiff and obviously improved and they don’t have that sight thing so the tread blocks are a better design as far as stopping and you also have you know a different compound it remains a bit more firm in these warmer temperatures so very cool to see some actual data and see how it changes you know from an all-season tire to a summer tire stopping the exact same conditions if you guys have any questions or comments feel free to leave them below thanks for watching

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  1. Don't forget that winter tires threads are designed to eject snow and are not as good for water compared to 4 seasons or summer tires

  2. nah, the test is flawed …
    you would need to have the exact same tires, only made out of different compound.
    you see they differ in patter now, and its not helping the test to be authentic.
    however the outcome is actually true to life, the winter tires are suxor in summer.

  3. Now I have even more reason to despise people who drive on snow tires in the summer. Get that all the time here, and it's so annoying. Snow tires are really loud on asphalt.

  4. Would be nice to see how the performance of real winter-tires on a hot summer day would be.
    I mean soft winter-tires designed for those -20 °C days on a 35°C day.

  5. when i import my 555 sti, i ran the snow tires that the car came with. 0 grip, quite scary when it was raining as well. the good thing is that i knew how to keep control of my car when sliding and understeering

  6. I have a 2009 Land Rover and run winters all year long because optimum summer performance is not a huge priority for my rainy day car. I find that even really worn winter tires grip better in the snow than brand new all seasons. Winters are my all seasons now.

  7. WGRs are likely the oddball exclusion. Basically winter tire tread and bite, but made of a harder compound so it's allowable as an all-season. It's also one of the few all-seasons that don't suck in winter. Trade off is a bit more road noise, but doesn't seem all that terrible other than that.

  8. winter tires are actually a great cheap alternative to drag radials due to a soft tread and a flexible sidewall. Maybe you should do a test to see how they act under acceleration.

  9. If i may add some input: the road surface in the winter is soft and therefore i think the movement of the tyre treads helps to have a larger contact surface since it moves and shifts with the road surface (snow, whatever). On summer tyres in the snow, the tyre is rigid and therefore when the snow shifts under the wheels it will have more slip. In the summer winter tyres will try to shift with the road but the road being rigid will result in more slip – so in conclusion i think rigid road surface will get best randament with a rigid tyre and soft road surface will get it with soft tyres (i may be terribly wrong here 😛 ). I think there is a phenomenon there that would be cool if someone would do something like a wheel high speed camera (300-400 FPS) during this test. Also it would be cool if you do this test in warm rainy conditions – i think that the winter tyres will fail terribly there – then again maybe the rigidity of the summer tyres may result in more slip – if you find the time and resources i'd love that video. Trial and error :). Anyway, cool video! Also sorry for my awful english (or engrish) 😛 P.S. i'd also love to see "time wear" on any type of tyres; like brand new summer tyres vs 10 year old practically new summer tyres of the same model and make. THANK YOU FOR YOUR AWESOME VIDEOS!!!

  10. I have had my snow tires on my civic for about 30 months straight an 35000 miles. It's not a sports car. I notice no differences other than they are fantastic in the rain and get good traction on wet grass.

  11. Can you make a video where you dissect the idling sound of petrol and Diesel engines and explain what exactly makes up the sounds and why you can differentiate a Diesel engine from a petrol engine by its sound? I know that's an extremely hard thing to do, but if you could pull that off, it'd be amazing.

  12. had the same Winter tires shown here, drove them for 2 weeks during summer and they destroyed my front bearings,they are design for very soft snow…I rather just have very good all season tires then dealing with all this crap…get a summer tire if you have a second you never drive in the snow.

  13. Performance reasons… Hell no, use the tool designed for the job. You live in an area where you can hit -40 you better have a winter In a lot of places it is law. That being said. I was never able to hydroplane my cheap winter tires and the all seasons had me scared for my life. The winters could of saved my life and I wouldnt even know it because they preformed so much better in warm very wet conditions.
    Now for cost reasons. I drive the hell out of my cars and I ran a Goodyear Nordic cheap Canadian Tire rubber for 2 full years and they were still usable for next winter. Someone hit my car so i got rid of it all… But that being said you can spend 400 bucks on a set of winters and leave em on 3-4 years. The amount you just saved on changeovers can buy a new set.

  14. Hi! Could you do a video explaining how the old Porsche 911 air-cooled engines worked, how the newer water-cooled engines work and the pros and cons of each??

  15. Can you tell me where (+time stamp) to find your Summer tire data to compare with these numbers ?
    Thanks.

  16. I'm certain that 99% of your audience knew this already. I remember back when I made my drivers licence they even explained to us why winter tires are bad in summer conditions.

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  18. After watching your video, it reminds me driving in the alleys of Chicago Illinois with treacherous snow conditions.

  19. I'm suprised that you have the shop switch the tires on the same rim and not just have a completely different set of rims. Less chance of the bead getting messed up.

  20. We just had a winter here that had far less snow and more warmer temperatures than normal. My snow tires took a treadwear beating driving around in those warmer 50-80F temps all winter and half the spring. There was definitely a very noticeable difference from the year before that had closer to normal winter weather.

    I know people who drive with their winter tires on all year and it amazes me. Why the Hell would you want your car to handle like crap all summer long all the while ruining your nice winter tires so that when winter does arrive and you need them they are all worn down?

  21. I've used the same winter tires for 3 and a half years with great grip during summer and winter. It really all depends on quality. On another car, I had winter tires during summer, I had to brake suddenly and the car just went forward like it was on a sled (obviously, another make of tires).

  22. I would like to see a similar test on wet surface … summer tire vs rain tire vs all season vs winter.

  23. Dude, don't let them mount your tiers to the Yellow alignment dot… The RED is supposed to be lined up with the valve stem. I made them take my tires off and do it again, I think you are to nice to your shop. Been watching your for a while. Thank you for what you do!

  24. hey saw something that i have never seen before its an oil additive called car boss makes some pretty grandeur claims using "nano technology" to reduce friction and wear and increase fuel economy… i have my doubts… PLEASE mythbust it!

  25. How Do Soft Winter Tires Perform In Summer Temperatures? – Summer Where? Not in Boise Yet! Maybe better to say How Do Soft Winter Tires Perform In Spring Temperatures? – On Chipseal

  26. Jason I would agree with you on this but I would propose a follow-up question and experiment. What happens when the winter tire is nearly worn out? Having very little tread depth the tread blocks, I would think, wouldn't move and shift around as much when they get warm and thus I don't think it would have the adverse effect they do when new like you experienced. And if that's the case, would it actually improve grip? I moved from North Dakota to Phoenix, AZ in January and I have a pair of Nokian Hakka R2's on the rear (drive wheels) of my 2000 Lexus LS400. At least in accelerating I have to say I can't get the car to break loose on dry pavement even if I powerbrake the thing. However when I had all-season tires I could do donuts all day when the temperature was around 50-60 degrees. What do you think?

  27. I had winter tires on one of my old cars.  There was a warm spell for a few weeks but sense I was a poor high school grad I couldn't afford a second set of wheels with other tires not to mention a place to store them.  I had huge wear on the tires and pieces of rubber flying off in just 50 degree weather.  They still felt pretty good though.

  28. Another item is that the winter tires have less tread meeting the road – but instead has lots of places for the snow to go and provides that grip on snow. And of course Studs extend stopping (and acceleration) on dry surfaces, kind of like wearing metal cleats on a linoleum floor. I used to run studs all the time, however there isn't enough snow/ice all year around anymore and was noticing how much the wheels spin. My "new" car has all the fancy ABS/ESP features and now I have "studless" tires and haven't looked back. Plus – the winter tire tread wears very fast when it gets warm out..and cornering is squishyier. And it works the other way too…. Years ago I waited too late to swap and tried getting to work on a cold snowy morning. My 3-season summer tires were so hard that I lost control at low speed and hit a curb. I also feel that Directional snow tires make a huge difference when it comes to cornering – having owned both over the years on the same car – I recommend paying the premium.

  29. it is not a big deal but on mobile your end card overlays your correcting annotation information on the error you made on naming tyre you made a point about.
    This was also something I wondered. Thanks for investigating.

  30. How do you think how the results would be if you made the test in the wet condition?I belive the winter tires will be more efficient that the summer tires,mainly do to the winter tires profile.

  31. Try nokian wrg3 all-weather tires.
    iirc, road and track compared a focus st wearing summer vs performance winter on the track,

  32. really liked this test but could you do same test but with bald tires to try test just the compounds? great vids

  33. I run winters all year not a problem , not too concerned about the loss of grip in the heat but I guess I would be if I couldnt stop in time and hit a tree LOL

  34. how bad is it if the front and the rears dont match in tire type for a rwd car? ie. michelin in the fronts and continental in the back? thanks!

  35. What wears winter tires more:

    Higher temps? or dry roads?

    I'm guessing that colder temps protect the softer tires because they are harder in winter = less wear. I also think that snow on roads causes less wear than dry roads. What Im wondering is if dry roads in winter are much of a concern for wear of snow tires? or is temperature the main concern?

  36. why the fck anybody who makes a video about car parts has to drive a car while speaking? you dont show us anything in video just sit on your chair and tell what you have to tell

  37. Next time test winter tyres after a winter & spring ( tyres half worn ,what you would expect if you fit new winter tyres for winter & run through till next winter then fit new ones again ) half worn tyres will have sipes scrubbed off , also the winter tyres you choose are very very aggressive in snow , probably the worst tyre you could choose ? next time try something like Avon ice touring or Toyo snowprox i bet the result will be very close , also try wet summer breaking i bet winter tyres win in wet summer breaking i know this to be true. I have run very aggressive nokian winter tyres (very good in snow but poor in dry summer a bit like your Blizziks i guess ) but my avon ice touring & toyo snowprox are very good in snow /winter (not quite so good as the nokian or blizziks i guess ) but work very will in wet even in summer , for me this is what you want out of your tyres very good in autumn (fall), winter , spring, good in wet any season & just fine in hot summer day . I have came to the conclusion over the last 10 -15 years good winter tyres ( not the supper aggressive ones ) fitted october work great year round (i am not a supper fast or aggressive driver ). It would be interesting to do a test with half worn Avons or toyos or similar + wet summer breaking .Thanks Rob in Scotland .

  38. Okay. NOW do it in the driving rain. We need to know just how well all season tires stack up when the road is covered with water, vs the more open tread design of a winter soft compound tire. Why? Because that is one of the most important times to have good braking: Bad weather….because of poor visability.

  39. I drove on winter tires on summer with no issues around 7000 km in a trip . what about that ? 😀 – using the last mm of tread pattern & Saving the cash

  40. It's not the softer compound that destroys the grip in the summer. It's the thread pattern and the siping. Drag tires have a soft compound but almost no thread and no siping.

  41. Very good video! What do you think about the All Weather Tires? A technician recommended me the Toyo Celcius all weather tires, arguing that I can use them all year round, they last longer than the winter tires, and they have great grip during winter as well as summer. I have All Season Tires on my Subaru Forester and impressively it handles snow well. To get to my home I have to drive through a very steep hill and the Subi handles the snow well with a little bit of slippage. I was thinking that getting the All Weather Tires might be a good idea to get a little better performance on snow and I will have no need to exchange tires every winter.

  42. I know this video is almost a year old but I found it trying to answer a question I had. I was wondering because of the softer compound of the winter tires if they would actually work as a budget friendly solution for rally cross racing in the summer. Mainly because of the softer compound, the more aggressive tread and the availability of cheap slightly used winter tires in the late spring and summer months. What do you think?

  43. I use tires for these time periods
    All/Mud Terrain Tire: All Year
    Unless Up North
    All Season: March-December or all year
    Winter: October-March
    Summer: March-October
    All Weather: All Year

  44. my buddy was lazy and didn't swap his winters for a few months. killed brand new tires after 5k miles.

  45. Yokohama is not the best all season tires. I have a certain Michelin all season on my AWD vehicle and the snow performance is as good as Bridgestone Blizzard.

  46. I love your channel and for once I disagree with you. I believe the winter tires perform worse because they have less rubber touching the road because of their tread gap. In racing, the teams will put on a soft compound for qualifying laps because of its enhanced grip.

  47. Something you didn't touch on here is that the rolling resistance of snow tyres is higher leading to increased fuel consumption.

  48. I've done some testing just now on Michelin PA4s and while the braking isn't great, the outright grip at 7c vs my MPSS is night and day in favour of the PA4. I can accelerate like it is 35 Celsius on a dry day on MPSS

  49. I used winter tyres in summer temperatures up to 40 °C and in dry conditions it didn't really matter. However, in wet conditions about 15-20 °C, braking was really bad.

  50. So let the winter tires age a few years, and harden up…. They will be stiffer for the hotter months, almost be the same softness as some new mud or all terrain tires. I've ran winter tires year round on my Jeep for the last 3 years. They are rock hard in the cold now and no more soft or flexible than a set of new tires… Actually I bought some Nitto Grapplers and the knobbies flex more than the winter tires.

  51. Softer tires in FACT give MUCH better grip in the summer on dry pavement.
    ……..
    Ask ANY DRAG strip racer why they use SOFT rubber tires.
    …….
    Ask any NASCAR racer why they use soft rubber tires.
    … .. .
    They will all tell you the SOFTER the better.
    ……..
    The ONLY thing that would make ANY tire not stop as well on dry pavement is CONTACT area.
    ……
    Since summer and all season tires usually have greater tread
    surface area, they stop better.
    It's simple physics.
    ……
    But you can also find WINTER tires that have similar contact area and they stop VERY well in the summer.

  52. Would be interesting to have more variables for making a decision to swap or to go with winter tires arr year long. I cant figure out my situation:
    Swapping costs 2×25 eur a year = 50 eur. I only drive like 10k km a year. Bought brand new winter continentals for 400 eur. Some savings on fuel, but on 10k insignificant. Swapping also takes time I could have spend drinking beer for example. Do I buy summer tires and spend like 300 eur or just drive on untill I reach my 4 millimeters.

  53. Why use all-seasons at all? Why not switch to summer tires? (Assuming no one really wants to put up with three sets of tires.)

  54. How can the yokohamas at 124.13ft equal 3.11 seconds and the 126.76ft equal the same 3.11second ? And the Bridgestone 127.72ft equal 3.10 seconds . Should there be an equation after these numbers to give a clearer understanding ?

  55. What a whiney presentation. Quite painful to listen to.
    So the difference in braking for the tyres is between 3-8%.

  56. My Corvette still has snow tires, theyre so bad in warmer rain but great in cold.. ik..duh.. im getting the summers on soon

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