Why You Should Never Buy Cheap Tires

Why You Should Never Buy Cheap Tires

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  1. Thanks for watching everyone! The important lesson here really is to do some research before buying new tires. Companies like Tire Rack, Consumer Reports, and many of the major auto journalist magazines post independent test data and cross-examine all kinds of different tires for braking, lateral grip, wet/dry testing, etc. Buying the most expensive thing on the shelf doesn't necessarily equate to the best tire. Best to look at what tires are available for the size you need, and try to dig up data to see what performs the best. I believe safety is worth the extra money spent, and if it prevents you from getting in a wreck you'll save time and money in the long run. Hope you're all having a great day! Consider following my other pages!
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  2. Those tires only perform at their manufacturer spec at a high temp range. For daily driving, you've just wasted money needlessly. Most people don't track their car or even drive aggressive enough on the street to justify a tire like that. Tires like those would be better suited to my Comp M3 however they would, again, be wasted as I don't drive the way the tires were intended most of the time.

  3. Great video, fantastic data! I know I should have been an engineer, building homes was too much fun. Keep posting!

  4. What if you can get all 4 (with run flat) for less than the price of one. A full set of tires for my car is $1200-1400. I was some how damaging them beyond repair every other month and if you change one you have to change the other. Then I discovered cheap run flat tires. Yes, it does take longer to stop, but you save close to $1000.

  5. This is one of the best YouTube car channels of all time. Thanks for clearing up all my automotive questions!

  6. I don't understand the 3rd test on Bridgestone when stopping distance is only 108 ft within 2.62s but G is -1.193. Should it be higher than 2nd run? Thanks

  7. Everyone is getting too technical here in their arguing with the author. The fact of the matter IS that the S2000 is a sports car. If you want the car to live up to what it's designed to do, you gotta pay to play. Yes, you can buy cheap tires that can work in all seasons and last a bit longer. BUT if you want performance, it costs money. These tires perform great, but there are compromises. They'll likely wear out much faster.

    I drive a 2012 Volvo XC60 T6 AWD for uber and cover 35k a year. I bought it used and it had Hankook Dynapro HP2 tires on it, which I HATED. Garbage in the rain, and not communicative. They're around $150 each if you shop around. The O.E. Michelin Latitudes are $231 each pretty much everywhere, and Goodyear and Bridgestone tires aren't far behind. Decent Continentals are about $160. After reading countless reviews complaining about fast wear with all these brands, and knowing how much I drive, I decided to research for a better value tire, and I found it in the Sumitomo HTR A/S PO2. It is a high performance all season tire (the same exact thing as the falken pro g4 and similar to the ziex ze950 – Sumitomo owns falken and Ohtsu tires) with a 65k warranty and higher than factory load index and speed rating (107V – spec is 103T) Bought the set online and after install (not including alignment), I'm in them for $536 and WOW. They ride better, grip hard, provide vastly improved traction in the rain AND get +2mpg, verified after 5,000 miles, tank after tank. The only drawback is they're kind of noisy. Tire design requires compromise, so you need to establish your priorities based on what, where, and how you drive.

  8. Brands like Maxxis, Federal, and Achilles are confusing me so much, track goers use them and say they're good, but I can't justify their low price, they're like TEIN, which I'm skeptical about.

  9. Hi there. The better stopping had nothing to do with tire width. The tire compound was the reason. Also, as the summer tire "warmed up" they got "sticky" causing shorter stopping. The old all seasons did not "warm up" because of the type of compound and age, therefore longer stopping distance.

  10. What are you considering cheap tires? I have a new to me 2005 Tiburon GS that I've shopped for tires on. Found hankooks for $55, continental extreme grip for $107, and Michelin pilots for $152. And many in between and some higher. This car isn't track ready it's for delivering pizza in Ohio. Appreciate to hear back.

  11. Although size of OE rear tires says 225, they were actually wider. You should put 245/45 on the rear when replacing.

  12. comparing old against new…I had a set of fusions on a Miata that worked as new but when old, slid around in the rain as if it were slushy snow. ( I ask a lot from my tires )

  13. Whag do you guys think of Continental Tires? Specifically the Extreme Contact DWS 06 and the Pure Contact V rated tires.

  14. I got some Firestone indy 500 tires on my volvo c30. Few months later they saved my ass from rear ending someone. An suv slammed on The breaks when I was going 65 behind. Came within 1 inch of hitting the suv maybe less it was crazy close. Only $440 for a set of tires of this quality Is a steal.

  15. Hello. Does anyone knows what are the differences in handling and riding comfort between a 235/45 and 245/45 tires for 17" wheels?. Thanks

  16. Talking about the Fuzion tires being cheap really speaks to me I was in a situation where I needed to slam the breaks and the slid felt like forever. End result nobody hurt and just a hole in the bumper but 36ft would have been more then enough room to avoid that.

  17. You should drive 500 miles or so to break in a tire. Also, old (especially bald) tires tend to perform better for traction… so the old ones may have been worse at some point.

  18. If your hot rodding around alot in your car, sure spend extra money on good grip tyres. If your like me and just use your car to go from A to B, tyres become less important. Despite all the negative things Iv heard about them, I have run Goodyear Vivas on all my cars in the past and never had an issue with them for the last 10 years or so. Just put some new Viva 3s on my 2015 Civic today after the factory Hankooks were nearing their end at only 27k miles. And you got me fucked up if you think Im paying $130/tyre for what was just a basic tyre with low mileage life.

    And as stated, your test is a little flawed and bias. Which is unfortunate since your videos are usually top notch.

    I dont think my 140hp is going to be putting enough power down for tyres to have any real impact on accelerating or braking.

  19. Sigh…apples to oranges dude. The other things you're not taking into account is economics. It's a bad assumption that just because something costs more it's better. Market forces and name brand recognition play a huge role in setting the price. Case in point: South Korean made Kumho high performance summer tires. I used to buy those all the time for my BMW. They cost less than half as much as similar tires from Michelin, Goodyear or Hankooks, and though they wore out faster, I'd still get enough tread life out of them to easily justify buying them over and over, even with a 40% shorter lifespan. The trick is to find out what works for the type of driving you do and the environment they'll operate in.

  20. this video is just about breaking? I bought the cheapest tires walmart had to offer and they are pretty good. At that they are 2 different sets because i bought them at different times soo i saved alot and the tires have had no issues. I usually get falken but i ddnt want to spend that money at that time.

  21. After having Bridgestone Turanza's I can't trust anything Bridgestone. Mounted as fronts and chunked everytime I took a hard corner.

  22. This is a constant argument I have with my wife, she is a farmers daughter though. 🙂 I will never ever put cheap tyres on either of our cars, my old school 4X4 or her Impreza. She always complains I spend too much on the tyres but I will ride out the argument end the complaints from her dad. Tyres are one thing that should never ever be bought on the cheap. Here in the UK there's a big used tyre market and finally the regulators are checking out the tyres being sold, but only on a small scale. Most of the part worn tyres on the market are not roadworthy!! Tyres are bloody expensive and yet again it seems like the poor loose out as always.. 🙁

  23. Wow, that was a smooth one, “and because this is engineering explained, I’m not just gonna talk about my feeling while driving it.” Nice burn to most other YouTuber car guys

  24. There are plenty of cheap but Good tires you can buy you don't have to get ripped off. Just because it's expensive doesn't mean it's the best. Your paying for the brand name

  25. Thanks for this! I’m looking to slap new summer tires on my car soon as well. But, debating on whether to put Pirelli-P Zero, Michelin t+h, Continental-true contacts or Yokohama-Tornante’s. Lots of choices…

  26. There's definitely a line of best value, though. Getting the stickiest tires possible will cost a fortune because not only will the tires be expensive, but the tread will be gone in no time. Also, at a certain point the stickiest tires usually have a temperature range higher than normal driving so may not always grip well during normal commutes, which can actually be less safe. Another issue is that stickier tires tend to degrade from heat cycling faster than harder tires, meaning they may actually grip less than even cheap tires if they go through a few aggressive heat cycles.

    For most normal cars, around $100/tire is usually where you want to be. Any more and you're paying for features you don't need like the ability to go 150+ mph and grip that is just not necessary for street driving. As others have said, too, you can only stop as fast as the people behind you, if you stop like you dropped an anchor you'll just get rear ended by the guy on cheap tires behind you. More important than maximum grip is keeping a reasonable following distance and paying attention.

  27. Ok there comparing used tires to new tires the 5° difference will matter for one because heat creates friction so warmer temp. Will make it stop better the more rubber would matter for the wider tire in rear. There are 3 variables that are a plus in the new tire… lol

  28. i bought cheap nankangs when they were not established when they first come on the scene.. they were great.. now they are established and great.. give the cheap new guy a try… ya never know.

  29. didn't you also make a video about if expensive tires are worth it?! my milestar sport 932 tires have been doing uber in dc for 1.5 years and have 30k miles on them and are still going strong. they only cost 49.99 per tire.

  30. I once had a Porsche 944s and when it came to replace the tires I put Yokohama A008Ps on and it was a superb tire that helped me to look better than I really was as a driver. When I replaced them I stepped down a little and put Dunlop D40-M2 tires that were not bad tires but not as good as the Yokohamas for grip and handling precision. The car I now have is a new 370Z sport coupe that has Bridgestone Potenza S-007s. These are great handling tires and I plan to also replace them with the Bridgestone Potenza RE-71R tires when it's time to change.

  31. How was the inner tread wear on the rear tires with the excessive negative camber? I would recommend a little more than stock negative camber if you're going to be pushing the car hard through corners. Do the alignment with a half tank of gas and you, or somebody of a similar weight, in the driver's seat.

  32. I don't drive with all-season tires because I don't want to compromise the dry handling performance, which is over 99% of my driving. When the road is wet or the road conditions are less than good I simply slow down and drive more carefully and try to anticipate possible problems better. One time when I hydroplaned my Porsche on a highway road during a sudden and violent rainstorm in San Diego, I simply took quick and well-thought-out moves to regain control.

  33. One good thing about better-made tires, aside from the superior handling they afford, is that they can outlast cheaper tires if kept inflated properly and rotated periodically. I bought a used 944s Porsche and when it came time to reshoe it I went with a very good set of Yokohama A008P tires that were more expensive than the average tire. I then had a custom 4-wheel mild competition alignment done at a good specialty performance shop. The effect on the handling performance was significantly better than that of the tires that had been on the car. I was told that I should not expect to get more than a little more than 20,000 on those tires, so I monitored the tread wear across the tires and adjusted the inflation pressure to equalize the wear. I also rotated the tires(4-wheel rotation) every 5,000 miles. Those tires wore completely evenly across the tread until they became slicks, with over 30,000 miles. I timed the rate of treadwear so that the tires would go slick right after the end of the rainy season in San Diego and so I could drive on slicks until the next rainy season. I think I got rid of the tires at about 36,000 miles and only because my wife found out that I was driving on slicks and so she consequently went ballistic on me. When I calculate the cost per mile of having those tires it didn't really amount to much more than what I would have paid for more mundane tires. The subsequent tires I put on the car, Dunlop D 40-M2s, while not bad tires were definitely not as good in the handling department and so I regretted not getting the Yokohamas again

  34. Based on what you mentioned about corner oversteer is exactly what makes people think there's snap oversteer in the AP1s. What actually happened is that by a combination of your rears being considerably undersized, your overly hot entry and then application of brakes, the weight transferred to the front wheels which already have more grip than the rears and assuming you kept the steering angle (or worse – steered more), the front end complied whereas the rears could not. The S2000s are perfectly balanced to do this and this kind of mid corner action is what makes this car one of the best corner carving machines out there. The alignment may not have played a role depending on how fast and how sharp the corner was. I'd say this is more an issue with running 205 square and you went in a little over your head there. Glad to hear it worked out ok but you need to understand this was a user issue and not as much a mechanical issue. Ideally, you would have straightened the wheel, brake in a straight line and then tuck back in. Or better yet, not have gone in so hot. Stay safe! From one S2k owner to another, keep her alive! Braking oversteer also happens on ALL cars by the way – its a function of weight transfer. I've seen FWDs do it too.

  35. most tire shops have a buy 3 n get 4th one free for the higher end tires !
    Learn to drive and you won't need the faster stops !

  36. I just got a deal on some Firestone Firehawk GT 225/45 17 H rated a/s's. . I paid 520 Installed tirerack still wants 180 a piece shipped. I've had more grip with an ultra high performance summer tire. But these still feel really good and the best I have felt in this size over broken pavement as far as smoothness. Firestone is discontinuing these.

  37. You also should never buy a tire just because it's expensive.

    I'd rather have a $70 dollar Antares than a $300 Goodyear, any day.
    Or a Cooper….
    or a Kelly…….
    or a General……
    or……….

  38. Well i buy hankook ventus s2 at 90$ each lasted 8 to 9 months i buy the cheapest one i have seen like 45$ each and 2 years and plenty of tread left 😄

  39. AAA did a CONTROLLED side by side test of cheap vs expensive tires. Expensive tires are NOT better (stopping and cornering).

  40. Jason, I do wonder, Do you think that the Extra G-force is from extra pedal pressure or from better traction from the tires. I know the little differences in Variables are not going to change the tire stopping power by 36 feet but do you think if you used a peddle pressure gauge would have changed the stopping a little bit?
    Thanks for you video's I am a automotive teacher and love how you describe how things work. Most Engineers have a hard time explaining things to people that have not experience with cars.

  41. I bought cheap d centi low pros ran over a manhole blew my sidewall went and bought another it blew when my car was put on the ground

  42. actually tires like the achilles atr sport & sport 2 are good low budget tires. and fuzions are junk anyway, the kind of tires you just keep scrolling past after all the bad reviews you read years ago.

  43. I'm all for nicer tires but I don't consider fuzions to be cheap junk, I had them on my first car an Escort ZX2 and they out-handled everything else I ever put on it trying to save money. I'd put HRIs on my new Civic Si if it was an option.

  44. I don’t know it is me seen too much tvshows but when i watch your videos i keep seen Barry Allen in the future making youtube videos without the speed powers.😂😂😂😂

  45. This review is laughable… comparing totally different tires to come to a conclusion is pretty elementary…if you want to compare an expensive tire to a cheap tire, use the same exact tire, same rating and same profile.

  46. Wider contact surface makes a big difference but you are greatly underestimating the 5 degree temperature difference more importantly what affect is the ambient temperature doing to the blacktop 5 degrees difference in the road surface is a huge difference as far as traction

  47. I had the RE71R on my s2000 and I liked them but my biggest issue with them was tread life. My rear tires only lasted 1 season, less than a year. I didn’t drive overly aggressive or drift either. Just some canyons here and there and some vtec. Now I have continental extreme contact sports on the car, we’ll see how the tread life is. Grip is great.

  48. When braking there is a weight transfer to the front. The rear will jack up a bit. This is usually accompanied by a reduction of camber as the wheel travel extends. This reduction in weight over the rear is why it breaks free. It is the wrong technique with a rear wheel drive vehicle to apply brakes in a turn. You must slow before the turn and power through it. I don't think that that extra camber will have reduced roadholding, in fact I would have assumed it improved lateral grip. As tires warm up their grip improves. The reduction in braking performance surely was a result of the discs and pads, not the tires.
    The difference between crappy tires and good ones can totally transform the behaviour of the car, from ride comfort, noise, steering, braking, roadholding wet and dry. The subjective feel can be like going from a truck to a Jaguar.

    Anyhow that is wot I think sitting in my armchair.

  49. Bought sum Walmart tires for 45 bucks each. Like 195 in total for 4 of em.. nd I've done donuts, hit sharp corners slammed da breaks a couple time.. had for about 9months, pretty good.never heard of brand either

  50. Well Triple A did a study this year and due to market standards and DOT standards the cheapest tires performed just as good in all situations except for track and race settings but then again thats a different set of testing all together but yeah your video isn’t correct, AAA covered it and the study is peer reviewed, buy whatever tire you want, most of his points are almost completely confirmation bias so….

  51. EXCELLENT DATA AND EXPLANATION. Time and Distance in an emergency can save both YOU and ANOTHER person's life by going with quality!

  52. I went cheap then paid for insurance. Ive gotten a free tire so far from what road debre has done to it so i gots my moneys worth outta it.

  53. Such a joy to watch you, and for being relevant and consistent for so long. I appreciate and thank you.

  54. sooooo … you fixed the technical issue with your car and swapped worn all season tires for new summer ones (made for track !!!) …
    and the conclusion is … !? don't buy cheep tires ? = what a "useful" test …
    if you really wanted to test cheep vs expensive – try to test (as odd is it sounds) tires on a same price !
    From a A-brand (low end) and something from a Budget brand (top of the line) for example
    now that wold be something!
    what will you get for your money ?

  55. I experienced braking oversteer once…on a snowy road. Makes for a lot of seat pucker! Acceleration oversteer does also! I really think limited slip differentials have more risk in everyday driving for RWD vehicles than the few times they may come in handy for one wheel slip situations. A manual lock up seems like it would be much better for the general public.

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