Sh*t I Never Knew: Dreaded Tread Ed. 101 || All-Terrain vs Hybrid vs Mud Tire

Sh*t I Never Knew: Dreaded Tread Ed. 101 || All-Terrain vs Hybrid vs Mud Tire


– Hi guys, Shawn with Custom Offsets, Custom Offsets TV on YouTube. We’ve got a I never knew video. This is one that we’ve been amping up for. I’m gonna put my money
on this being the best I never knew video ever, so
if you’ve watched our series, if you like this series, you’re definitely gonna like this one. This is gonna be dreaded tread ed 101. So we are gonna go through
picking an all-terrain, a hybrid, or a mud tire, which is probably the biggest decision when you go to do your build, or just gonna put wheels and tires
on, or go to do the full wheels, tires, lift kit, everything. You’ve gotta decide are you
gonna run an all-terrain, which is gonna be nice
and quiet on a highway, not very aggressive sidewall, it’s gonna perform really
well in snow and rain and all that highway stuff, but you are not gonna look nearly as sweet at the Walmart wheat, meet. Wheat, sweet wheat meet. Now these meats are gonna be the hybrids, so this one, and almost
every company has these, so I’ll talk a little bit
about this being the Nitto Terra Grappler G2, the
Nitto Ridge Grappler, and the Nitto Trail Grappler. You will hear me confuse
trail and terra constantly because the words are just too similar. It’s not because I don’t
know what I’m talking about. I think. So this is gonna be your all-terrain, but every major tire company is coming to have the same thing,
they’ll have an all-terrain, a hybrid, and a mud tire. So when I talk about
these three, I’m gonna also talk generally. So the all-terrain is
generally gonna be made to have some off-road capability, it’s gonna have some lug to
it, so you’re gonna be able to get some grip, but you’re gonna see that it doesn’t have a
very aggressive sidewall, and that’s pretty common
in the all-terrain. And it’s also gonna be nice and quiet on the highway, that’s the intent. Then we’ve always had our mud tires. So the mud tire is gonna
have big huge lugs, it’s gonna have a
super-aggressive sidewall, it’s gonna have a stiff sidewall, and it’s gonna be really
made for off-road capability. Over the years, they’ve come
a long way of making these a little quieter, they’re
not quite as howly, and they also are getting
them to be a little more comfortable and not
have a lot of wear issues. Then comes the hybrid, so
the Nitto Ridge Grappler is designed to bridge
the gap of these two. And this one’s still gonna
have a super aggressive tread, it’s still gonna have a
super aggressive sidewall, but it’s gonna be much
quieter than the MT, and it’s going to also
perform on the highway better and a little bit better, I
would believe, in the snow and in the rain, in the
crappy conditions on the road. But it will lack a little bit
of the mud tire aggression when you get into the
mud and stuff like that. But the idea of the hybrid is to sit right between these two. So what we wanted to share is kind of some of the main points. We’re gonna talk about
price, we’re gonna talk about load index, we’re gonna
talk about some of the mileage that we’ve seen out of
’em, and we’re gonna talk about rotating these bad boys
and where you should be at. So first one I’ll get into, price. This one pretty much sits in the middle. So typical pricing you’ll see on this is somewhere around the $1,400 range for four of them. Now that’s if you’re buying just tires. Of course if you package
these up, you’ll see throughout our site we give
some pretty killer deals on the packages, and can
save you a ton of money off that price. Just consider that $1,400
is your middle point. This guy is gonna run,
for the same size, 33, 12 and a half, R20, pretend
I’ve got all of these are 33, 12 and a half, R20,
’cause that’s how I’m gonna talk about all of the numbers. So this guy, you would
run about $100 less, so about $25 a tire. So for the set of four of
’em, you’re about $100 less for a set of four of these. So would you ever not get these for $100? I would hope not, because
that would make no sense to me, that you would
sacrifice, if this is the look you want, this is the off-road
capabilities you want, if you don’t wanna get stuck in wet grass. I have seen these guys fail in wet grass on big, heavy trucks,
because they basically get slicked-up, full of mud, and then it just becomes a slick and
it just sits there and spins. I’ve literally seen that
happen at a car show in the grass, where he couldn’t leave the car show, twice now. So if you’re gonna save $100
and not get out of the grass at the Walmart meet, if
it gets carried away, and heads into the median or something, don’t do it for $100. Same thing here, this
one is only gonna be $50, which is about $12 a tire more. So you’re only talking $50. If you really want this
mud tire capability, if you really want this mud tire look, if you want that insane sidewall that comes with a mud tire, because if you look at it, it’s just
a totally different look. Although the hybrid is
trying to get there, it’s just not gonna be as aggressive because the whole point of the mud tire is to be super aggressive off-road, super aggressive look, and it’s only $50. So what we really noticed when
we kind of looked at this, and we’ve never compared
’em this way because we just kind of pick what we want. You know, we kind of guide customers based on what they tell us they’re looking for. Price should be a non-issue,
because you’re talking $100, and you’re talking $50, right
in the middle of the road. It should be a non-issue, would be my opinion when you’re
talking nickles and dimes, when you get down to
making a choice on a tire that you’re gonna be driving
around on for many years. So the next thing we wanted to get into was gonna be mileage. This tire is the
all-terrain, it’s very common that the all-terrains are
gonna come with a warranty. So the warranty on this
one is 50,000 miles. So as long as you do regular maintenance, regular rotation, you
have a good alignment, you need to do regular alignment is, I believe, one of the requirements. We don’t do much warranty claim, so I don’t know it by heart, but generally it’s gonna go
50,000 miles without a problem, and the warranty will hold up. Now, these tires will probably
go 50,000-plus no problem, ’cause if you can imagine the
warranty’s gonna go that long, you’re probably gonna get somewhere more around that 60,000 mile mark, as long as you’re rotating
which we’ll come back to. The hybrids, some of them have a warranty, some of them don’t. I looked all over the
internet, couldn’t find one on the Ridge Grappler, but basically you’re looking
at that same 50,000 miles, I would say, as a life expectancy. So you should be able to
still get the 50,000 miles, but remember you’re not
gonna have the warranty on that mileage, because it’s gonna depend on what kind of conditions
you put it through. If you’re off-roading with
this thing every weekend, obviously you’re gonna
be tearing lugs off, tearing pieces off of it,
and it’s just gonna wear a little less evenly because
you’re constantly off-road. That’s gonna obviously
chip away at the mileage. But if you’re a street
princess with the truck, rotating regularly, you’re
easily gonna get 50,000-plus out of these tires, in our opinion. And of course, that is not
the manufacturer’s opinion, that is the Custom Offsets opinion, of the guys that are running them, and all the people at the shop that have come through and bought them. We haven’t gotten a set
to that 50,000 mark, but from what we can tell for wear for the people that have
had ’em, they’re holding up phenomenally, and everybody’s
super happy with ’em. Kind of the same story with the mud tire. A lot of the mud tires,
especially the Nitto MT, has been super popular
because of its wear. They seem to be lasting phenomenally, if you rotate, because if you start to get chop, then people start to get frustrated ’cause it gets louder, and you start to mess with your riding and get some vibration
and stuff like that. That’s because you’re not rotating, or that’s because you
did not get an alignment on a regular basis. And you’re gonna hear
me mention an alignment, nobody does it, but you really
should be getting alignment every, maybe 10, 15,000 miles. It depends on how much you
off-road it, it depends on how much you’re doing, because you can knock that alignment off. It depends on how much
your truck is lifted, it depends on how big
of a tire you go with. But really, you should
have that alignment checked once in a while, and
that’s only gonna help. But if you don’t, at least
if you rotate regularly, you should still be fine. Watch for uneven wear, because a wheel bearing can
start eating up a front tire. There’s all different
reasons why you can start to have problems. But you should be able to do 50,000-plus, 50,000, 45, 50,000. They should be pretty comparable. Obviously you’re gonna get the
most miles out of this one. That’s what it’s designed for,
that’s what it’s made for. It’s also gonna depend on how
much load you’re carrying. One of the things that
people always forget about or don’t even
consider is load index. This bad boy right here,
this one’s made for hauling. So this is gonna be a load index of 121, and that’s gonna be about 3,200 pounds, and it’s a load E rating. The E is just having to do with the plys and the rating that associates with that. But really what you wanna
think about is that load index of 121, which means that it’s gonna hold that 3,200 pounds. That’s what that load index means. So you can go watch our load index video. I’ll do all the math
for you in that video, and see more about that. But consider this one, 3,200,
this is gonna be your highest carrying capacity when we took all of these and compared ’em. So when we compared ’em, we
did a 33, 12 and a half, R20, 33, 12 and a half, R20, and this one doesn’t
come in that exact size so we did a 305, 55, R20, which is basically 33.2 by 12, R20, so it’s the most comparable size. It’s just a little bit taller
and a little bit narrower, and then we compared that size. So 3,200 pounds on this one
for a load weight rating, load index of 121. The next-strongest one
is gonna be the hybrid. These came out, the Ridge
Grappler, in a load F, in many of the sizes, so this is gonna be a load F. Now remember, load E, load F, it’s a higher load rating, it does not mean it’s a higher load index, it does not mean it holds more weight. This is gonna be a load F, but it’s only a 119, and it’s 3,000 pounds. So 3,200, 3,000 pounds. So it’s right around, I don’t
know, what is that percent? Eight percent. Somebody can check my math,
I think it’s seven percent. So it’s seven percent
load carrying capacity, even though it’s a load F. So this one will still
hold a ton at that 119 and the 3,000 pounds,
and it’s a load F rated, it’s rated at 12 ply,
this is rated at 10 ply. You can dig into all that, it doesn’t even mean
it has 12 plys anymore. It just means that it can carry what the 12 plys that the old days, which didn’t exist, would’ve carried, if they would’ve, using the ply rating, which makes very little sense. Don’t worry about it, think load index. 3,200 pounds, 3,000 pounds. Now with the mud tire, you’re
gonna see the load index continue to go down, that load rating continue to go down. Don’t know all the science
behind it, but it does. It’s gonna run 114 load index, which is gonna be 2,600 pounds. So if you go from the all-terrain to the 2,600 pounds, 3,200 pounds, 2,600 pounds, you’re talking 600 pounds. So that’s gonna be roughly
right around, I don’t know, 22% or something like that. You can do the ding
thing if I got it right and do the buzz thing if I got it wrong and tell ’em what that percentage is. (ding) Because it’s important
to understand the percent that it goes in, ’cause you might just say well it’s only 600 pounds. Well 600 pounds out of
3,000 is a fifth, is 20%, so out of 2,600, you
know, it’s right around that 20% less load rating, load weight rating, that
this tire can handle. So you’re gonna be best here if you’re pulling heavy
loads, if you’re hauling heavy loads, the medium of the ground, load F and a 3,000 rating,
with a load index 119, and then your lowest rating
is gonna be your mud tire. And that’s pretty consistent
from what I’ve seen with other brands also,
that they’re all-terrains are running the highest, the
hybrids are in the middle, and then the mud terrains
are running the lowest load index, load rating that they can have. Let’s talk about rotation. So I mentioned quite a few times, that I would at least rotate the
all-terrain 5,000 miles. I know that oil changes
are going up and up and up in how often you need them, how many miles you can run without an oil change. I do and would rotate the
all-terrains at 5,000 miles. I would not wait until 10,000. I think you’re already in trouble, and you’re not paying
attention to your front end steering components and
any kind of weird wear on the fronts if you’re waiting that long. So I would do these every 5,000. Our rule with anything this aggressive is every 3,000 miles. I know you guys think we’re nuts. I know there’s a couple of you that actually have gotten
angry at us on the social media because we say 3,000 miles. I’m telling you, it’s what I’m doing, and my tires are lasting forever. That’s why I’m getting
the 40, 50, 55,000 miles out of mud tires, and
definitely out of hybrids, ’cause we’re rotating every 3,000 miles. So we’re literally rotating twice for every oil change, on our vehicles that we run five to
6,000-mile oil changes. We bring ’em in and
just do a tire rotation. It’s a good habit. I know if you don’t have the facilities, but I’ll tell you what,
tire rotations are cheap. Bring it to a garage, get ’em rotated. If you do these every 3,000 miles, it’s gonna do you a big favor because you’re gonna save a lot of tire and it’s gonna last a lot longer. And the typical rotation is front to back and then criss-cross. So if you criss-cross this time, do front to back next time. If you front to back this time, do criss-cross next time. If you forget just front to back, and then make a mental note
and criss-cross the next time. It’s not vitally important,
it’s just important that you keep them rotating, because you cannot over-rotate tires, there is no such thing. If you could rotate these every Saturday, you would be probably the
longest tire lasting guy in the whole wide world. Probably the only thing
that will change the wear of all of these tires is donuts. Don’t do donuts. (relaxed hip-hop music)

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  1. Just installed some LT33×11.50R16 trail grapplers on my 96 2 door Tahoe. Quiet as hell on the road! Literally dont hear them. Going to keep up on tire rotations! Awesome tires.

  2. So do you combine the 3200lbs x 4 tires to get the overall hauling load and subtract the vehicle weight? My SUV weighs 4200lbs. So 3200 load rating x4 tires = 12,800lbs – 4200 vehicle weight = 8,600 left of towing capacity?

  3. So if I go to an E rated tire from my P rated tire, and keep the same load index the more plies of the E wont ride like a wagon?

  4. I bought the Milestar Pagonia's M/T's for $150.00 a tire and they blow all these tires out of the water .. Look em up!

  5. E rated tires are the way to go.. That's what I use. You can run over nails with them. And great for hauling.

  6. Don't forget fuel mileage! Mud tires are going to be worse and they pick up every nail,screw,and bolt on the road. I love mud tires but only in mud!

  7. Goodyear duratracs…. "All terrain" however self clean like an MT and ride like a dream. Get about 3 summers and 2 winters out of them. About 65k for me

  8. My boss and co-worker both run the ridge grapplers and they are great on the road and in the mud. I'm either getting those or mud hogs for mine

  9. I know it's an older video but I just saw it. I have 6 ridge grapplers 265/70/17s on my 2019 duramax. I have never rotated them and never done an alignment. I am currently at 47000 miles on them. I work off road and travel for work so I would say it's a 70/30 split on road off road with at least 7500 of then miles pulling a 42ft 5thwheel toy hauler. It's an honest review of them tires lol

  10. yeah what sucks is when you have a 6600 lb cummins thats a 2 wheel drive on street tires and you can even make it from your barn to your driveway without getting stuck after it has rained

  11. 45,000 miles on a MT? Hahaha…. I dont know anyone that's gotten more than 20,000 miles on MT's on the road only.
    Also, rotating tires doesnt increase milage. It just wears them all out evenly which means instead of only needing 2 tires you'll need all 4. The only time you need to rotate is when you have a 4WD/AWD and not all trucks are 4WD.
    Otherwise pretty helpful for the Nitto lineup. I think that these numbers are very subjective though.

  12. Bollocks. Proof of one thing here. Never take a tire salsesman's advice, all they care about is their commission. I live IN THE RAINFOREST. I have a mud and clay drive way with a hill in it you couldn't walk up after a week of rain and I drive a part time four wheel drive SUV with basic AT tires on them. I've never been stuck. Often towed other vehicles out. In my experience, like actual off-road experience, not experience in sales or carpark shows, tire pressure matters far more than tread pattern or price per tire. I keep a 12v compressor in the car during the monsoon season and run my 255/75/16 AT tires at 30psi until I got the sealed road. Never bogged. Never failed to get out out in of my place. Anyone with ANY of those tires who gets stuck on wet grass is an idiot with more money than driving ability.

  13. Mud trucks usually aren't hauling a lot of weight I like aggressive tires and l don't mind if they howl but that's just me

  14. I always run TrailGrapplers. I air them down off-road and air them to speck on road. I have a 10” lift and occasionally pull a modified gooseneck. I’ve gotten at least 70k miles out of every set that I didn’t destroy being a DA. They have a little hum, but apparently I’m in the minority (I like the hum) They handle a load very well. Handle snow well. They handle rain better than most MTs

  15. I have some pretty decent ish ATs, I have to park in the grass at my house and I can't tell you how many times I've lost traction on the grass trying to back into my spot, especially when I'm towing a trailer and trying to back it up

  16. There is no (set in stone) choices or set in stone performance result. My 9,500 pound super duty on 37"s or 38"s corners & handles far better with big chunky lugs like NITTO GRAPPLER . It's way more swirly with a classic "mud terrain", and a classic "all terrain" is pure terrible. The ALL TERRAIN has a bunch of "small tread blocks" packed in more tightly.. But the weight & torque deforms & flexes them.. Just squirmy & tears em up… Grapplers , even though SUPER soft, work better "everywhere"
    Stop & think… A BFG All Terrain "lug section" is pretty close to the same dimension weather it's on a 29" tire, or a 37"…. Adding more flexy tread blocks doesn't make the tire (PERFORM) like the small tire in that tread.. Now my SAMURAI is a whole different world, but just know BFG mud work the best.. All terrains cornering flex, then grab & hook causing poop to happen.. The MUDs will "drift" on hard cornering, but it's WAY way more controllable & predictable….

    Experience and research… Including ASKING people in public you see running what your looking into.. Just STAY AWAY FROM CHINA TIRES!!!!!

  17. 1:48 you called them “big lugs”… The correct pronunciation is “big ol nobbys”.. No need to thank me, just doing my good samaritan thing… If ya just really feel inclined to thank me somehow, y’all can toss ya boi a “on the house” set of hybrids for my 06 “play in mud” Dakota.

  18. Whoa i didnt know other people rotate every 3k miles. I rotate and oil change at 3k an get shit for the oil change thing at 3k but thats just how i was taught growing up.

  19. Nice . . I just scribed… I own a 2017 Ford 350 Platinum dually.. red .. have not found the rim that catches my eye yet

  20. I had a set of 4 Nitto Ridge Grapplers. 295 18r70. Loved the look. Okay on the highway. It really didn’t last though. My truck is a F-250 diesel. Leveled. No lift. I got about 30,000 miles. Just my experience.

  21. Can’t forget about tire pressure, too much and the middle will just wear out way faster. And when I do my rotation I just cross the fronts to the back and the backs straight forward. Ensures to get rid of any cupping and ur not trying to remember what pattern you did on the last rotation.

  22. What would be the gas mileage difference between the ridge grapps and the trail grapps on a level kit around the 34-35inch range size tire??

  23. um… who rotates tires like that?! it's ALWAYS back straight forward fronts cross to back.. if you are changing out your spare, it gets a little more complicated… look up the diagram… there should never be a "if you forget if you cris crossed them last time"…

  24. Another thing to take note on would be Speed rating. When I was shopping tires that was 1 thing I kept in mind. MTs usually have a lower speed rating, at least From what I found during my shopping around.

  25. Guy is a good salesman lol …. fuck those mud terrains on my truck …. they’re junk …. if you get stuck in wet grass you’re a moron

  26. I think i'm having a full blown stupid moment right now but why take them to a shop and rotate them does a shop do something in addition to taking the tires off and putting them in a different spot or is there more to I just don't understand.

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