Medic & Vedius on caster bias: “Call them out, but also understand that rarely is it genuine bias.”

Medic & Vedius on caster bias: “Call them out, but also understand that rarely is it genuine bias.”


I mean, there’s one thing I’ve always wanted to talk about, which is the perception of caster bias. Oh yeah this is good, this is a good topic. So recently, I got this big Reddit thread
about how I was biased towards Fnatic in the playoff series against Misfits. Now, going back and watching the cast, I understand
very well where that perception came from and I think the outcry was valid. I think it’s largely because I, going into
the cast, had actually high expectations of Misfits. Watching their series vs UoL and knowing how
overconfident Fnatic would be, I was actually expecting Misfits to take that series, but
I never actually said it on broadcast. I never actually made it any kind of narrative
point. It was just a thing in my head that I was
like this is probably what’s going to happen, but I just kind of never made it apparent,
right? Problem is then when I came into the game,
I was always looking at everything from Misfits actually being the dominant team against Fnatic. So when you’re a caster you have this tendency
to be like, you try and big up the losing team because you want to give people expectations
or hype that there’s still the possibility they can come back. And so what ended up happening was when Misfits
did a lot of good things, it wasn’t as surprising to me as it should have been because to many
of the fans and just everyone really, Fnatic were the favorites, and that’s perfectly valid. There’s no reason as to why Fnatic wouldn’t
be considered the favorites. But as a result of that, you have this cast
that comes across as everything from the perspective of Fnatic. It’s like Fnatic are doing this to try and
counteract Misfits, Fnatic are doing that to counteract Misfits. And the problem with that is it’s not like
I have a favoritism towards Fnatic. I don’t really have favorite teams, the only
team I was actually ever a fan of was CLG EU back in the day. I love that team so much. But aside from that I’ve never really been
big fans of teams. I like to see Europe do well internationally
of course but bias is one of these really difficult things where it’s all about how
a caster phrases things from certain perspectives and you’re never always going to please everyone
because you might criticize TSM play and the TSM fans are going to get annoyed about it. Like it’s going to happen you can’t accommodate
for everyone. But what’s important for me is for people
to understand that it’s very rarely intentional bias, it’s very rarely casters doing their
best to be like, I to talk a lot about this team not really about the other one because
I’m not really a fan of them. I think you can say it’s basically never intentional
bias. I don’t think we ever come into a game and
we say… Yeah but the only time that it will come across
is because I know when I cast G2 versus ROX, I could hear my own bias, because I wanted
G2 to do well in an international event and that spilled out into a cast, which was definitely
a fault in my end, and that was an element of bias. But even then I don’t think it’s intentional. I think that’s a subconscious bias. It’s a subconscious bias. It’s never me actively trying to put down
the ROX Tigers and hype up G2 right. But it’s one of those things that for me I
feel is important for the community to understand that call it out, for sure. Tell the caster, I think you was super one
sided in that cast towards a certain team, but also bear in mind that it’s usually just
a mistake made by the caster, that they will definitely try to rectify and if you hear
it in game one, also listen to game two three four and five because I was very aware of
it in game 1. I was told it, people were like you need to
cut this down. And then I made an active effort two three
four five to try and make it more balanced and better. But people very rarely cling on to that. So for me it’s just important because it will
happen in the future, like especially around Worlds is something that all casters are very,
very cognizant of. But it may happen as a result. So feel free to call them out. Feel free to let them know, like I thought
you were super this perspective this game but also understand that very rarely, if ever
at all, is it a genuine bias. That they actually like, oh I love this team
so much because we do our best to stay impartial. And while I have good relationships with many
of the players on many different teams, I actually don’t care whether or not they win
or they lose. All I care is that Europe has a decent representation
at the World Championship. So that’s why I want to say this. I just think it’s really important for people
to understand. I’m quite emotional guy just generally as
well. It’s the reason I quit medicine, was I wasn’t
able to deal with the emotions, and so I do get hurt by the fact that people just come
in and say you’re shit. But I can accept that maybe people don’t like
my casting. I know I’ve got weaknesses. I know I’ve got strengths and I know that
there’s things I need to work on. If someone comes to me and says you were a
shit caster, I’m going to react to that. But if someone comes to me and says hey here
are the things I thought you were bad at, then I know what to work on. Yeah. And I think that’s super important as well
because it is fine for you to not like a caster. Oh 100%, I don’t like him. I don’t like him at all. Yeah that’s fine right. What I think the community seems to be very
adamant against is like if someone were to say I don’t like Vedius people are just like,
well fuck you. Vedius is fine. Vedius does a great job. It’s like just let him not like me. It’s fine. He’s allowed to not like me. Right. Like it might be my voice. I have kind of an annoying younger brother
voice. I’m kind of cringey. There are loads of valid reasons as to why
you don’t have to like me but don’t just blindly throw hate at casters if you don’t like them
because there’s a difference between disliking someone and someone being bad at their craft. And all casters will put a huge amount of
time and effort into making sure that they are good casters, they’re good at their job. As we talked about earlier, the fundamentals. Make sure that you talk about narrative, you
talk about the game, you talk about everything that you need to as a caster. Make sure you meet that criteria and I can’t
think of a cast of that doesn’t meet that criteria. But there will be stylistic differences. I make cringy awkward jokes. Phreak makes puns. Yeah Phreak is the best example of it, because
everyone, like so many people hated him for so long but he is one of the best casters
in the world at what he does. People can still hate him now but he’s thick
enough skinned to get over it. Vedius has a very thick skin as well. When he came in and everyone was like haha
I’m 12, member of Vedius subscribers or whatever they do in Twitch chat. I have a thinner skin than them, but I’m still
relatively thick skinned I think in the fact that I can deal with it. But it’s just really important for me for
people to understand that you’re allowed to not like casters. You’re allowed to tell people that you don’t
like casters. Just don’t confuse disliking someone for them
being a bad caster because while there’s always things that casters can improve upon, and
while feedback is always extremely valid in many instances, thinking about how you deliver
that feedback and thinking about how you want that caster to get better is very different
from, “this caster sucks,” just because you don’t like them. I just think it’s important to understand
that distinction but don’t stop giving feedback. We always go into Reddit threads afterwards. We always read that post game match thread. We always read Twitter and we always check
Facebook. We always read these things, we read these
messages.

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  1. If you want to see caster bias watch c9 Vs lyon gaming. Rusty was super obvious for lyon. Twitch roasted him all three games. Also some eu casters had high favorism for fnc Vs misfits lol

  2. It's always such a pleasure to listen to casters being interviewed, because they have no hesitation in their thoughts and their voice, and always speak clearly. Being a non§native english speaker, it' makes understanding them way easier.

  3. Great interview, Vedius was very easy to listen to here. He's growing on me anyways, excited for all the casters to show more at worlds.

  4. if you watch any recent game from lyon casted in spanish you will see a lot of obvious bias, its so anoying that I rather watch the games with english casters(beeing spanish my main language)

  5. Biggest bias now is probably Jatt when it's NA vs other regions and especially tsm (hence the meme). Kobe has love for CLG but i feel his bias shows much less and in a less annoying way when it does show cause it's usually the faith joke.

  6. my favourite casters are Quickshot, DeFicio, Jatt and Phreak.
    but in my opinion, its a really GREAT thing to have different casters, different "matchups" between the casters, cause everyone has a different point of focus, which makes every game unique! be it wildcard casters (when i manage to catch a stream^^), EU LCS, NA LCS, or a Challenger Series or all the others as well: i enjoy them more, because there are people hyping the match so much, i cant just sit there and "meh, when is it finally gonna end?", instead i happen to applaud either a player or a caster for a good outplay or (in case of the casters) almost suffocating, cause they forget to breathe <(^.^)>

    in my eyes: it happens that a caster "sounds biased", cause they pick a point of view to get and give more insight into the strategy of a team, it happens and shouldnt bother people too much.
    if you want 100%-bias-free casters, get a football caster or the like to cast a match, but they have no idea and it would be completely neutral, as they have no idea who does what.

  7. Vedius is right in that you shouldn't hate on a caster but rather criticize them constructively. However, that cast he mentions that caused a reddit post was EXTREMELY biased tbf and I think the community have a point. That isn't to say bias is wrong, bias is inevitable, its just that that specific cast made the bias painstakingly obvious

  8. I think all the casters do a good job at staying unbiased and explaining whats going on to bronzies like me. Also love how well spoken Vedius is <3

  9. Ironic how I thought medic was gonna be a great caster and vedius just sucked and now vedius is a pretty entertaining caster whereas medic just sucks

  10. I wish vedius would be more calm and cool like in this interview. His caster persona is far more jumpy.

    If he was mellow like this he wound rival deficio

  11. go watch thoorins interview with jatt, ddk and another guy, the main topic is caster bias and its pretty damn great.

  12. A bias Chinese LPL caster was saying exactly the same "I was expecting one team to be strong therefore I applaud for the other weaker team.

  13. I liked Vedius the moment I hear his voice
    Same with Medic especially in that H2K vs Fnatic <3
    Also Drakos, ever since.
    I miss that cringy, weaboo former EU caster…
    I LOVE ALL CASTERS <3

  14. These interviews are great! It's nice for the casters to have a bit of time to give a bit of their perspective and fend for themselves

  15. Who's the guy at the end of every video saying "For more videos and analysis, go to…"
    I swear i feel like that sounded like Phreak.

  16. huh, im mostly familiar with vedius's borderline joke videos on "picks to watch". I'm surprised to hear how articulate he is in a live setting. I definitely shouldn't be surprised given his job, but I'm still surprised nonetheless.

  17. Really hop off the caster as long as don't trash talk the team that aren't cheering for then its fine. Remember casters are fans too, and they can show bias. Hop of my niggas the casters from all regions.

  18. Monte and DoA on the other hand, had some strong bias towards KT and SKT, both as fans respectively and the well known hype train thing that Monte did, not for his favorite team, but for the team he thought would win.

    I think they owned their biases, and for me it didn't interfere with the cast at all. The only devil's advocate against that point is the way Monte was sort-of anti-story in the way he made predictions. When he thought other teams had no chance against SKT, he was upfront about that, and sorta sabotaged the narrative.

    I think DoA did a good job balancing that with his excitement. But, I guess back on topic, I'd have to go back and watch their VoDs to see exactly how they did it or maybe own my own bias towards them as casters, but it seemed to me they could even cast an SKT vs KT game and have their biases become part of the narrative rather than detract from it.

  19. I am always pleasantly surprised how so many casters are honest and introspective and not afraid to talk about their weaknesses or challenges.

  20. I love getting to know these casters on a more serious, professional level and hearing them talk about their craft. Thanks Blitz!

  21. I actually like when casters are biased, no matter which team they are cheering. It makes the cast way more personal for me. idk might as well be the only one

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