Is Bigger Better? 15 Inch Vs 17 Inch Wheels & Tires

Is Bigger Better? 15 Inch Vs 17 Inch Wheels & Tires

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  1. So you attempt to appear scientific bu comparing two sets of tires and simultaneously changing two variables. So does the width affect performance? The tire diameter? Or is it a combination of the two? I guess we'll never know. How about 15s with 235/215 width or 17s with 225/205? What about ride? Sidewall flex? Acceleration? Different cars with differing gear ratios (tighter/ wider)? You created more questions and provided no real answers.

  2. Put a decent muffler on that car…..
    Its obnoxious as hell.
    I'd be too embarrassed to drive that thing sounding like that…

  3. In my opinion, you could improve this test by choosing wheel and tyre combinations that give the same overall rolling diameter for comparison. (Increasing the rolling diameter of the wheel, as you did with the 17" setup, does actually increase the size of the contact patches. It also affects the gearing as you pointed out in your video. But, perhaps most importantly, it changes the ride height – the CoG has moved up in Z, away from the ground plane – which puts all your suspension setup out of kilter.) All can be easily resolved if you using the same rolling diameter setups for comparison. Nice vid though, thanks for sharing.

  4. I would stick with 15s and run a larger tire. Your limitations are tire size and clearance. Find the smallest diameter wheel that fits over the brakes and go from there.

  5. I think I have seen Japanese tuners run wider tires on the front and standard size in the rear. On the front they go wider and one size smaller sidewall. To keep weight and balance.

  6. People. You need a scientific approach on that? Wider tires will generally offer more grip. If they can fit without obstructing something in your car. Taller tyres, will leave less workload on the suspension, leaving you an comfortable car, but at the same time, during cornering, stiffness is recused. The opposites are true.

  7. Rule of thumb: put the smallest diameter wheel that fits over your brakes & the widest wheel that doesn’t hit strut or poke out past the fender

  8. Very good commentary!!
    We were just thinking of changing from 15 to 17.
    Guess 17 is kind of harder for the steering wheel but better performance?

  9. Don't know why people hate civics? It's those ricers who put fartcan on them and ruin it! This Civic is a proper race car and sounds awesome

  10. Big wheels for big calipers and brake rotors, smaller/lighter wheels give less rolling resistance especially in petrol engine with small torque. In modern diesel when you've got over 400Nm with weight curb around 1600kg it doesn't matter that you have 16,17 or 18" wheel, but size give bigger choice to find grip

  11. I had a mb w123 with sport sudpension. Moderate tuned and had 190 hp (6inline). That one was absolutely fantastic with 205/55 15". Expensive Falken tyres. It was so glued to the road (except hilltops or sudden downhills) it gave pre warnings in the corners. And even when it smoothly started 4wheel sliding( the kind the speed cause/not spinning) i could turn more and even do kickdown in those long corners. I miss that car. Its was styled the same way as a beutiful Granada Ghia with Sec hood (complete white with no chrome) and looked like those 280se on the back. Just caused that spoiler.(white as the car). And the strange thing i noticed with that one was the frontwheels. When i stood at rearside filling gas i noticed very like angles as F1 cars. Maybe i was superlucky. Profile on tyres and the shape at sides was quite udentical aswell. So it was far away from having those originalwheels you can se somewhere in there. The only car i have had where it never existed any wear on suspension parts ever. Also my V70 when i bought 225/40 or 45 17" helped much. But it was annoying frontheavy. Because the whole engine is in front of the front axle. My Bmw is other stuff. (I test my cars so i know them well, handy in need) but noticed traction control can be extreme in high speed. Had 160 into a short corner and there was halfway black ice. Boom and it became almost as hitting railroadtracks. BUT I RECOMMEND TO NOT TEST IT OUT ON NORMAL COUNTRYSIDE ROAD. Or else tight of space. But still. Getting known with what the things in the car do should be obligatory. I testdrove Jaguar I-Pace (electric 400hp) with winterwheels it pulled to left on full accelleration. But very good SUV. Tight of space. But as compact, cool. That car was equipped with assistent for countrysides. If the car noticed you were on the way out of the road it corrected the steering into the road again. I made me dare to guide it to the ditch slowly and prepared to correct it myself in the very last. In the most of the times it worked. But sometimes i dont know. I corrected it myself when i felt the car would be to late. I have always had it roomy on park lots. But when i returned the car to the "stand" it was like almost getting crashed on from 5 angles two times. I guess duch happen when expensive cars aint yours thing😂Good to experience and learn since ive have only beeing driving trucks and semies with TC. On by E39 Bmw i have some good coilovers(roadlegal) and 235/40 18" and on rear 255 35 18". And that one is so stabile that it will not give pre warning in corners when too much speed. The way it just simple taking wider turn then planned and that happen fast. But else they are good and i am satisfied. No sway. But im surprised that so much of a cars weight can lean so much over on one side without feeling it on the car. So when a 2 litre standard engine getting the TC activated in cornering, obvious it started to spin on the inner wheel. Car tested. Not daily stuff as "young stupidity" the only wrong i found with your car is thst it is FWD:) those civic sedans are cool. Liked those in FF movie. And black rims fit totally 👍 🙂 on those:)

  12. After driving a while on my E39 on roadlegal coilovers i wonder why normal coil suspension is legal. They are much better. The range on them are made knowing the car is lower and cant do same absorbing range. If i forgetting a short high speed bump in moderate too fast for it. The car neither slams the ground or jumps. The shockers stop the car reaching down. And they have 2 different types if coil springs. So i driving quite soft in normal conditions and they other take over from there. I have with original dudpension on a frontheavy Volvo slammed so hard that it is undescribeable. BUT THAT "HEADACHE" of convinsed car should got bended . And i knew it was there but just underestimated it. And normal lowering kits slam down in situations like that. Had s ford sierra with liwering kit and that one got bended and windshield cracked over the while middle after a jump. So my conclution is that coilovers are the best bedides sir suspension. Thst would also been good combo with the dampers and where it stop before hitting tarmac. But i struggle a bit with norwegian "high roads" some times a year. (When the middle of the road reaching up between the wheels) my car isnt even so low as it can legally be. So therefor i say the road reach UP😉 so i have 2cm more i can lower it in the front. But havent done that because my next tyres in front will have lower profile:) my car is legal with different with and those dimensions. But i dont know if i can have different radius on rim and tyre on it. As for exampla 19" bak and 18" or 17" in front wheels. I have been driving with different variables of such and i dont ser what should been the problem on a rwd car. That my rear wherls was wider didnt do any bad at all. The laws in europe are more strict then Usa when it comes to some details.

  13. If you take a spinner in your hand (heavier type of metall etc) and blow it up at a high speed with air gun and simulate turning wheel you notice what more the power steering and the rack goes through under fast maneuvering:)

  14. normal user no need expensive cwaste money new wheels and tires. newer, genuine wheels have good and no have anything better buy expensive new wheels.

  15. U can expect easy rim damage with the 17s. If u drive on the average crappy road, keep some rubber between the rim and road surface.

  16. I bought hypers for my car because of this video. They look great amd i cant wait to throw my proxes rr on them

  17. Oh definitely bigger is not better wider can be better if your car has enough horsepower to make it worthwhile

  18. Not sure why you had to change the overall diameter of the tire with the 17" rim… Shouldn't you have gone with a smaller side wall to keep your overall O.D similar to stock. The taller tire messes up with your gearing. It's this common to do for track cars?

  19. Handles better with original wheel, and tire if you know and drive Honda. You know 15 is the best fit why fix something that isn't necessary.

  20. Tire diameter and width have nothing to do with wheel diameter. For example, all NASCAR race cars run 15" diameter wheels and 28/10-15 tires, i.e., 28" diameter and 10" wide. By comparison your 235/40R17 tires are 24.4" diameter and 9.3" wide.

  21. Eh. Ride Quality, MPG, Cost goes up.. too much impacted with bigger heels. I find a good wider tire and suspension updates including sway bars is where it really is At. I have a 92 VW GTI 16v on 15" TSW wheels and all Neuspeed.

  22. Great comparison in gear ratios for the map! However, results like time would be slightly skewed because you were comparing a used tire with a brand new one.

  23. THIS IS TOTALLY WRONG!!! BIGGER WHEELS JUST FOR FUN…NOTHING WRONG WITH IT…ITS ALL ABOUT THE CAR LOOK!

  24. My VR6 handled much better with 15inch wheels with 205/50/15 tyres than with the 205/45/17…never done any times but feel and the way the car moved way miles better.
    It always felt like it was on tip toes with the 17s.

  25. Considering I don't do track work, I drive on public roads with constantly changing surface quality and conditions, I prefer smaller wheels with more tyre. But if I lived where the roads are wide, flat and consistent, I'd go for a more track oriented focus.

  26. 15:50: "You're on a race track, with your helmet on. And you're driving $30K, in an M3, like a douchebag. BMW dri-ver al-ert."

  27. Thumb rule, smaller diameter have faster acceleration and better braking. Unless you turbo charge a motor, I see no absolute reason to upgrade to larger size. Those goes for looks is different story, absolutely no improvements overal, except slowing you down.

    If u thinking larger size does helps, it does in top speed, slightly stable and heavier, follow the factory specs and you will not go wrong.

    As for tires thinner than 50 series, those seriously are for track use, its extremely uncomfortable for daily drive, except BMW Mercs Volvo Audi that comes factory stock, the suspension and chassis were designed for it.

    To increase performance, simply go easy by adding Strut bars, better suspensions, good tires, and alot of training. Go larger diameter IF you add HP and TORQUE to your motor, if not, its a waste of time and reduced performance. Worst case, losing with larger diameter to a factory stock car of the same model. And make a joke of yourself for the day.

  28. I would go as small as possible, but my car didn't allow me to use wheel smaller than 16", so I go to 17" instead (and the previous owner use 20" instead, which was awful and I change it with 17" wheels).

  29. If the circumference is bigger the car's CPU is going to show you less on the speedometer depending on the factory settings and the wheel size they choose to use. So lets say you are a moron and bigger rims and wheels cuz it looks lit, you will be actually damaging the engine. Vice versa for putting smaller ones… USE FACTORY SETTINGS im 10000% sure you are not smarter than the engineers who assemble cars every working day.

  30. I know these cars aren’t related in any way, but I wanna see this civic vs the Mighty car mods 2sexy stancer

  31. MISTER, THE COMMENTS BELOW OF ^opelwasp^ ARE REALLY THE QUESTIONS BECAUSE YOU SAY YOU FEEL MUCH BETTER WITH WIDER AND BIGGER…BUT WHAT THE MAKERS OF THIS CAR CAN SAY ABOUT USING 17 OR 15 ??? WHAT THEY SAY ??? I THINK YOUR CAR IS TOO SMALL IN POWER TO USE 17… EVEN 15 IS TOO BIG FOR YOU…I HAVE A MAZDA MX-6, V6, BODY WIDER THAN YOUR CAR AND THE MAKER OF THIS CAR SAYS I HAVE TO USE IN TIRES THE FIGURES 205-15-55 … AND DO NOT CHANGE THAT…
    FROM THE MAKER IT IS THE FIGURE… WHAT IS THE FIGURE FROM THE MAKER FOR YOUR CAR ???? I SENSE IS 14 BUT WIDE. YOU FEEL MUCH BETTER YOUR CAR IN CURVES BECAUSE THE TIRES ARE HEAVIER…THAT IS THE FEELING OF ANYBODY WHEN THE TIRE IS BIGGER… BUT WHAT ABOUT THE PARTS THERE ??? WERE THEY MADE FOR BOTH.. 14, 15 AND 17 AS YOU THINK ???? I THINK NO… THE HEAVY CARS AS CORVETTE, PORSHE WITH A BIG ENGINE YES…THEY CAN USE ANY NUMBER BECAUSE THOSE PARTS AT THE TIRE ARE VERY BIG AND STAND THOSE NUMBERS… WE THE CAR OWNERS USE TO COPY THE SIZE OF THE TIRES THOSE BIG CARS USE…BUT ALL OF IT IS JUST COPY WITHOUT THE REAL KNOWLEDGE OF THE LIMIT ON THESE PARTS AS THE ONES OF YOUR CAR…
    I USE 15 BUT VERY HIGH IN EFFICIENCY… I USE TODAY TOYO PROXES BUT IN THE FUTURE I WILL USE MICHELIN…THE BEST ONE IN EFFICIENCY BUT MY NUMBER… I AM CLOSE TO INSTALL 20 POUNDS OF TURBO IN MY CAR… AND I WILL USE THOSE TIRES…BUT THE BEST ONES… SHORT LIFE BUT HIGH GRAB TO ROAD

  32. MISTER…WHEN THE MAKER OR MANUFACTURER OF THE CARS LEAVES A SPACE OF 2 OR THREE INCHES BETWEEN THE BUMPER AND THE TIRE IS NOT FOR A MISTAKE…AND THE SIZE OF THE TIRE THE MAKER PUTS IN THE CARS AS ORIGINAL ONE IS THE CORRECT SIZE FOR THE CAR BUT YOU DONT KNOW THAT… VERY BAD…IT MEANS YOU DONT KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT CARS TO BE HERE … URIEL JURADO, PANAMA, JUNE-26-2019, [email protected]

  33. I don`t drive like this guy, but at least I gave more info about the actual title of this video in my 4 min video clip.

  34. Better choices for future experiments … some people commented there were two variable changes, but there were 3; height, width, and weight.

    Same height and width tire, different size wheels (affects of profile on performance).

    Same profile and width tire, different height (affects of overall diameter on performance).

    Same height, profile, different widths (affects on performance; sweet spot for your specific car).

    Same height, width, profile, different weights (affects of weights on performance; RPF1 vs cosmetic heavy wheels).

    bonus round; the skinniest, tallest sidewall (smallest wheel to fit brakes) stock wheel and tire height vs the widest, lowest profile tire that can be found in stock wheel and tire height to show the extremes (of stretching and meaty builds).

    A balanced FR 50/50ish car like a BRZ/FRS/86 or RX7/8 would be a great car for this purpose imo.

    Like these kinds of tests, but would like to see a more apples to apples comparison instead of switching up pretty much everything between the two sets … besides using two different civics!

  35. The real question here is. Does the 17s rub against the fender when you turn them all the way I just bought some for my civic but not sure what size tire to go in order to not rub and messed up my fender. This is my daily driver vehicle. Can someone answer my question.

  36. when you're changing the height of the wheel and tire, it's not a reasonable comparison any more because there's the diameter variable included. you should have kept the same diameter between the two wheel setups

  37. My stock wheels are 15j6, now I'm using 17j7 215/40 always I go to wheel center to repair it. Dammit!

  38. Haha. 1. I think im going to know how to drive this track of i ever make it there. So mNy vids.
    2. Outro is epic. Lol

  39. After switching from 15x65x185 to 17x45x215 automatic trans, i noticed a small delay in acceleration when pressing the pedal hard. I should have replaced the tires from balloon(stock) to flat type and not the rims. Maybe it should have accelerate faster. The 17 looks nice though.

  40. I like the small wheel big tyre look especially on old school cars but it all comes down to what is fastest at the track.

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